Friday, October 28, 2011

Dating, discrimination, fertility, and bad journalism…

The other night around 10:30 pm, I was lying in bed blissfully reading a book when a friend of mine in Chicago called. Her voice was high-pitched and fast-moving as she jumped from random topic to topic. My guess was that she’d had few cocktails.

“Augh!!” she moaned, “One of my guy friends called me tonight to whine about this girl he’s dating. He really likes her, but he’s thinking of dumping her because as he said to me tonight, ‘Erin, she’s soooo old!’”

“How old is he?” I asked.

“Thirty-six,” she answered.

“How old is she?”

“Thirty-six,” Erin answered. “He really wants children, so he typically doesn’t date anyone older than thirty-one.”

Over the last ten years, there’s been a lot written on ‘older’ women and their fertility issues. For example, one fact these articles like to throw at you: the odds of having a child with Down Syndrome for a woman at age 40 are more than ten times that of a woman who has a child in her twenties. It’s totally true, of course, but you know what those articles don’t tell you? The chance of a 25-year-old woman having a child with Down Syndrome is 1 in 1250 or 8/100ths of a percent. The chance of a 40-year-old woman having a child with Down Syndrome is 1 in 100 or 1%. (Got those figures from the National Institute of Health, by the way.) Not only that, but those odds either increase or decrease based on your family history…so a woman at age 40 with no family history of Down Syndrome has a less than 1% chance of having a child with it.

As for fertility issues, there seems to have been a definite increase for both women AND men in the last few decades. And yes, a lot of women (and men) are waiting to have children until they’re older. My question is, how much of the problem has to do with age? We don’t eat like our parents did during their child-bearing years. Today food is a lot more processed, has more preservatives, and contains a variety of strange ingredients. We take a lot more medications than our parents did – from birth control to mood elevators to sleeping aids to dietary supplements. We work much longer hours than our parents did. We get much less sleep than our parents did. We likely have a lot more stress than our parents did, and many of us get less exercise than our parents did. I’m not saying that age isn’t a factor – I’m just wondering if it’s the only one that’s semi-trackable and therefore often receives the bulk of the blame.

Anecdotally, I will say this. Most of the people I know who have experienced infertility, have experienced it regardless of age. They couldn’t have children at 28 or 40. In my lifetime, I have met two people like this. You’ll often read articles stating that women have a better chance at a pregnancy later if they’ve already had one child at an earlier age, the recommendation being pop one out now and get your body in gear if you think you want to have one later. To me though, this suggests that age isn't the biggest factor for fertility. Instead it says, if you are fertile at 25, you'll probably still be fertile at 40.

Just because you don't realize until your mid-thirties that you can't have kids doesn't necessarily mean your age is the main culprit. Fertility does decrease with age, but it's likely due to a whole lot more than simply getting older or the egg-rotting notion that gets tossed around so often. (Oh, and how amazing is it that supposedly our body is constantly regenerating tons of its cells - but not our eggs which are present from before day one? Seems like biology would have been smarter than that when it came to survival of the species.)

I know a bunch of people who had fertility ‘issues,’ but have then gone on to have not one, but two “miracle” babies without any treatment. And to be perfectly frank, I know many more people who have found themselves accidentally pregnant after 35 (and thinking, “Oh shit”) than I do women who were trying unsuccessfully to get pregnant after the age of 35.

For the record, I am 36. I've never taken any medications or drugs besides the occasional antibiotic. I walk several miles a day. I'm neither over nor underweight. I eat fairly decently, get a decent amount of sleep, and generally avoid the presence of chemicals in soaps, shampoos, make-up, lotions, and other toiletries. My cycle is regular, the length of it has never increased, and the last time I had a blood test my FSH levels (which if I remember stood for follicle-stimulating hormone and is somehow correlated with fertility) were smack dab where they should be for a person in their reproductive years. While I have never tried to get pregnant, my mother used to complain about how fertile she was, and after having her last kid at 35, moved into a separate bedroom. Suffice to say that although I won't be certain until I try, there's nothing physically or genetically going on to indicate that I couldn't get pregnant if I wanted.

And as you know, I’ve also been doing online dating. In my profile, you can discern that I’m cute, thin, sweet, funny, and financially stable. (Trust me, I’m much less blunt and caustic in real life…and even less so in my profile.) I also look much younger than my age. My lead picture is attractive and shows a smile.

However, when perusing profiles, the site displays simply a thumbnail which includes only my lead picture, location, and age. Each day about 4-5 men actually click on my thumbnail to read/view my profile. On average, I would estimate that more than 90% of those men are over the age of 45. About twice a week, I receive an email. No one my age has ever contacted me. I have met and dated one guy off of the site who was my own age…I contacted him.

So yesterday around noon, as a result of my call the night before, I shaved three years off my age in my profile…as an experiment. The results? Twenty four hours later, over 40 people have viewed my profile and five men (the oldest being 40) have emailed me. Insofar as I consider my ability to pop one out as good as the next thirty-three-year-old, I think I’m going to let my profile stay that way. And for all the men and women who think turning thirty-five marks the death knell for a woman’s ability to have (healthy) children, unless you really want one after thirty-five, I’d recommend that you keep with your practice of birth control.

11 comments:

LL said...

That is amazing to me... minus 3 years and that big of an uptick in contacts? when nothing else about YOU is different?

I agree with much of what you said about fertility. Two people very close to me have struggled for years to get pregnant- both started in their early 20's. Most of my friends are nowhere near ready for that phase of their lives and will mostly like not try until their mid-30's, at which point they may also have problems. I think much of the age correlation is that's simply when people find out- after all, it's not like you know you have fertility issues until you're actively trying to "use" your previously avoided fertility. Not that age isn't a factor, but like you said, it's the easiest tracked factor and thus is likely blamed more than it should be.

And separately, all these men thinking they need to pick a life partner based on the age of her womb are missing the point entirely. It's a partner, helpmate, best friend, and lover you're picking. The mother-factor, should you choose to have children, is in addition to the others. I can't think of anything worse for a relationship that going in based on the parent role you might one day inhabit. Parenting is freaking hard, you want someone by your side that you picked for who THEY are, not how old their eggs might be. Ugh.

Anastasia said...

I was most amazed at going from 5 views a day to 40 and suddenly being viewed by guys aged 30-45 whereas prior to it was almost exclusively guys 45 or older. Remember, when they click to "view" your profile, all they have is a small picture, your age, and location. Based on a difference of three years, eight times as many men looked.

This indicates to me that most men (including those ages 35-40) have set their search parameters to exclude women over 35, so they've probably never known that I was on the site. If that theory holds true, the number of views should die down over the next few days.

Still, it is a little disconcerting.

Paragon2Pieces said...

I did a slightly different experiment with my profile. I changed my profession from attorney to teacher and the number of messages shot up too. At first I thought that making any change to my profile may have triggered the interest (e.g., getting placed on a "recently updated their profile" sidebar), but the uptick in interest level stayed steady over an extended period.

(FWIW, I'm 30, blonde and blue-eyed and when my profile says "attorney" all of my messages are from asian or southeast asian men over 35, when my profile says "teacher" I also get messages from white guys and, generally, men closer to my own age)

Anastasia said...

Whoa. I'm speechless in response to that one. That's really sick!

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

I thought I'd chime in with a man's perspective on this. I found your post to be very interesting, and I can definitely understand your frustration. At the same time, it's clear that we interpret the results of your online dating experiment differently.

I guess I have a few brief points to make:

First, I think it's important to point out that age plays a factor in dating for both men and women. It's not the case that men hold a monopoly on ageism. For every example of a man in his thirties or forties opting to date a younger women, there is an equivalent example of a young woman in her twenties opting to date an older man. Every person is different, just as is every relationship; however, it tends to hold true that men prefer younger women and women prefer older men. There are plenty of biological and societal reasons for this ... too many for me to really get into.

Secondly, I think it IS unfair to minimize the fertility problems and risks that go hand-in-hand with increased age. A 1% chance of severe mental retardation may seem scant now, but 1% can be quite high - particularly when you know that this represents a tenfold increase upon normal probabilities of such defects. Furthermore, it's important to remember that you have to tack on several years in addition to your current age when considering the issue of bearing children. If you're 36 now, then you'll most likely be 39 or even 40 by the time you've dated, been engaged & married and then decided to have children.

True, we should pick our partners based on many factors - but it would be unrealistic to think that age and fertility shouldn't be included in those factors - especially to those who want to start families. We factor other biological features, from looks to intelligence, into selecting our partners ... why wouldn't age be the same thing?

Anyway, I enjoyed your post and wanted to contribute to the discussion.

Anastasia said...

Thanks, Anon. Personally, if I'm sitting at a table in Vegas with Jesus, and he tells me that I've got a 99% chance of being the happiest person in the world and a 1% chance of dying, I'm going to roll those dice. I can't think of a situation where I wouldn't be thrilled to have 99% odds in my favor.

As for older men/younger women, I see couples who fall into all categories - older/younger, younger/older, or same age. There doesn't seem to be a prevalent age set-up. After dating a variety of age ranges, I've found that I'm most comfortable with guys who are within three years of my own age, and the closer in age, the better. I think it comes down to the personal preference of the individual.

Texas Transplant said...

Really really fascinating and interesting article about pregnancy trends + older women in NYM this month: http://nymag.com/news/features/mothers-over-50-2011-10/

bhumihar ballia said...

nice

Rue said...

Love the man's perspective on fertility.

Its good to hear-- but really, for goodness sake, don't you just hope there is someone out there who is actually a romantic and wants to find the woman to be the mother of his children because he LOVES her, not because of some sort of GATTACA style concern over fertility?

Let's look at Brooke Shields and Andre Agassi. Married... couldn't get pregnant. Divorced and with other partners? Both have families. Sometimes it's about being with the right person, not just about being a sperm donor with someone you may or may not be in love with when you're BOTH OLD.

The Human Prozac said...

We studied the increased chances of an older women having a down syndrome baby in current events and it's a shame. /: But I hope they're good for each other. If he's willing to date her, she must be a very special woman. Good luck to them. And perhaps she's one of the other 99 :)

Anonymous said...

Another fabulous post! THANK YOU for sharing your thoughts (that I'm certain *many* women share) in a way that isn't defensive, but rather makes it easy to relate and to keep our heads high! :)